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would, for christmas, recycle the gift that she had given the year before. they had nothing. my father, the same way. his father died of cancer when my father was 15 years old and take it for a rapid. my father, the same way. and in those days they were not some of the support that are available today. both my grandmother's left to go out and work just to keep a roof over their head. both of my parents brought that sensitivity to our family. very much the same way. and so he went by was working at the breyers ice cream plan. when gillett night on the g.i. bill. that was his only option when he graduated from high school.
when your parents bring the sensitivity'ssensitivities to you no matter how much success they ultimately had in my parents had some good success, father did. raised as one we were teenagers. it helps you understand everything that you see as the governor you can see reflection of yourself. you want to make sure you can do everything you can to get the same people an opportunity to achieve whatever they want to achieve. so i can go and say charter schools and renaissance
his new address democratic governors. and that is a mistake and it is not helping those. >> if we -- [applause] if we gave out trophies to people who fought against all odds and lead by example and showed us how to beat poverty you would when the lombardi trophy which is the greatest of all. [laughter] >> really? >> yeah. [laughter] >> that's your objectivity. >> you get it. you are a beautiful example of overcoming adversity.
now your aspiring to be our president. so looking at the federal government what is it that the federal government is doing that is hurting or putting barriers in front of more been carson's of america? >> i am not one of those people that thinks the federal government is completely bad, just mostly. they really started in the 20s of the wilson administration accelerated. lbj, we the government are going to eliminate poverty. the war on poverty. the gray society.
it's much worse. not the same government is evil sometimes they overstepped the boundaries. they read the preamble. it talks about the duties of government and says to promote the general welfare and they probably thought it meant put everyone on welfare. and obviously needs to create the right type of atmosphere, and i believe that the real answer to poverty is not government
but the private sector. and that is the reason that i have indicated that one of the ways to jumpstart the private sector is to look at the more than $2.1 trillion that is overseas in terms of corporate money that is not being brought back because we have the highest corporate tax rates in the developed world. but i would suggest is a six-month hiatus in the process just requiring a 10 percent of it be used in enterprise zones people who are unemployed and on welfare. talk about a stimulus, that will be the biggest stimulus since fdr's new deal and would not cost the taxpayers 1 penny. that is the kind of thing we can do.
what happens now the businesses, corporations are starting to think once again about how we invest in the people around us. creating the right kind of atmosphere and helping people around them. i have been involved with a lot of nonprofits, particularly right to life organizations to create these homes. and i mistress for women have gotten pregnant. her education usually ends. that is the end of it. that child is four times as likely to grow up in poverty and end up in the welfare or penal system which is hurting us as a society. they help that woman, they
provide childcare person or she can get her ged and associates degree, bachelor's degree, learned take care of herself. that same break cycles of poverty. you can put people in those places if they are not government organizations who can teach and tell that young woman that you are worth something, you don't have to give yourself away to the 1st guy who comes along talking about you. those are the kinds of things that will help us to build the fabric of our society once again. [applause] >> you wrote about a new plan on expanding opportunities. >> first i think what we
ought to do is not just talk about the laboratories of democracy the do it. don't create any kind of restrictions on how they go about dealing with upper mobility. the notion of some the somehow they want to be there is totally ridiculous and wrong. we will never win elections of police -- we will become a minority party. i have people in this room don't believe that. he start with the premise, they got the chance to do it in their own unique way, each community might have a different approach. block grant the three big programs,programs, the panic program, the food stamp program in the housing assistance program, the state federal relationship would be focused on outcomes how many people are getting out of poverty not staying in.
right now you measure the poverty programs by how many people are on the roles and girl. that is the measurement of success. we have got to turn that around. have one income eligibility requirement. i see a lot of people who are not receiving government assistance and one take away from a real disaster or two. the majority of americans or two paychecks away from having a life alteringa life altering kind of circumstance for struggling working as hard as they can. and does not matter. receiving government assistance and those that are striving to live an independent life. workwork needs to be the single biggest requirement. no more waivers as this administration has done. real work eligibility which means we have to transform her education and training programs because right now
we have a skills gap. it is great to give people a chance toa chance to get a job, but they don't have the skills and that's the 1st step. all of our workforce programs need to be revamped. imagine a system where starting from scratch, not the one we had today but deliver these programs to help people get out of poverty in a different way, or more marriage of penalize it would work so that as you work you would not have a marginal tax rate factually that is the highest of any tax bracket and you would promote a dramatically different fashion education so that more and more of our young people were college and/or career ready and training programs so that you customize it so people have the skills. those three things plus strong communities with bob woodson and paul ryan talked
about eloquently in their works last year's is what we need to do, shift all of this back to communities and allow those four pillars for successful upwardly mobile societies to take hold, radically different education system, a focus system, a focus on work, focus on marriage because that is important and then having education system allows people to rise up. we can make this happen, especially when we have a president that is committed to. the old way has failed. it is easier to make this case these people no that this is failed. look at the number of people that are completely dependent upon government. theygovernment. they cannot live lives of purpose or meaning in the creating strains. [applause] >> something we're going to here a lot.
you increase your state earned income tax credit what can you see, how can you measure successes and how would you translate that policy in the federal level. >> we doubled the earned income tax credit because we have to do more than just talk about work. we after award the people that are out there doing it. as the economies of gotten better and more jobs are available we want to continue to encourage people to make the transition. if you give people this kind of choice of i can make more missing out on the couch that i can if i go to work, that is what people are facing right now. individual citizens in my state say to me, it doesn't
make any sense for me and my family if i went and took a job. i would actually make less than i'm making right now what we put the programs together they receive. doubling the earned income tax credit was one of our answers to that. >> how did that help address? >> it is essentially a refundable tax credit. when you go to work even if you're not paying income taxes in new jersey because the threshold is to have they are going to give you a check back based upon the fact that you are earning your income and are going to get a check that helps to supplement your income from the government, but it is based upon the fact that you're working, earning your income because the gap that exists, and i hear people complain about this all the time but do not articulated completely, people are on their couches and not working and we have got to change the system. you're
right except that for some of those folks this confronted with the ugly truth that if they did get off the couch and went to work they would make less. >> it makes work pay because in some cases without it the person will actually lose benefits, lose materially if they go get a job and aei tc helps reduce the problem. >> and that is why it makes so much sense. the new york new jersey metropolitan area, high cost eight to 11. everything is more expensive. this grows even wider and estate like mine. one of the things we did not talk about the federalthat the federal government is doing the wrong way is deal with drug addiction. because drug addiction is a huge part of this debilitating cycle: folks lose hope a lot of them turn
out of desperation the drugs and then what we have is a situation where incarceration is even higher because the policies of the federal government, incarceration goes higher. one of the things we did was advocate. if you're a first-time nonviolent drug offenders you don't go to prison anymore. you get a mandatory inpatient drug treatment because this is a disease. if we continue to treat it this way, you are an addict. if we are putting those people in jail we are not giving in treatment. we wonder why they continue to go back to carmen don't get a job and support the family and playable in raising their children. children. of course they don't because their suffering from a disease that does not prove
allow them to do any of that. it is not working. it has been 30 years or so i will warof war on drugs that has been focused on incarceration and enforcement. we need to get some of the people who are just addicts and diseased out of those jail cells and give them treatment because you can get to work if you can't get out of bed in the morning. he can getcan't get to work if your high on heroin or cocaine. no one will hire you. it is one of those barriers. they are doing nothing to deal with the real problem that we have, people can be treated, this is a disease, we can make people better. father or mother sister comes back into a family you cannot calculate the
positive effect that has on the family and community. we need to do more of that which is one of thethe barriers to getting out of poverty the people don't talk about as much. we need to talk about it more. [applause] >> it is an important point. 50 percent of the people incarcerated are there for drug-related offenses, not to deal but to use. in new jersey and florida is 20 percent. that is to be reform or sentencing guideline reform. the pres.'s impulses presidents impulses to use the clemency process rather than engage with the speaker or majority leader to deal with something i think there is broad consensus on. the other thing that is important is to get people 2nd chances. if you have a record you
can't get a job and are not going to be -- increasingly men are becoming obsolete and lower income communities and we need to make sure they are powered to do their job. i think it's a key element. if you are on the road to recovery your crime whatever it was would be wiped out, and the employment reforms that some of the large corporations are looking at comeau we need to make sure that people have access to the opportunities that exist because right now they are pushed aside. if you're 21 to 25 you cannot get it. that isit. that is another place where the 1st rung of the latter needs to be focused on our proposal including the earned income tax credit and doubling it for all single filers back to this notion
that you have got to get men engaged in the workforce again because you cannot have a society where they are obsolete. we see it play out. we see the criminal justice system be overwhelmed. common ground on left and right and i hope you get the president to do his job. [applause] >> i think there is a common misperception that it is part of welfare. it is actually not. it is no milton friedman idea that is sort of the anti- welfare. there is so much fraud in the program. they have to get better tools and make it more something that you see in your paycheck because of the federal level it is a lump sum at the end of the year. you don't see the feel of this makes sense. i am a losing. there is a lot of reform at the federal level they gets
back to this great conservative idea. >> in one of the things we did was to empower the state treasurer to do a significant fraud investigation, and we eliminated to get them out of the fraud. that helps to reinforce everyone's confidence in the program. we will agree to double the you need to agree to empower the state treasurer to ensure they can conduct the kind of investigations to give the public credit and conference for the fact that they are willing to step up and help folks had confidence that we are not just throwing the money in the fireplace. >> the notion that we should be able to put more of the focus on the state as opposed to the federal
government. >> i wasi was just going to say -- and it may not be popular, but earned income tax credit, a manipulation of the tax system for whatever good reason i generally do not agree with. we need to make the system simple and fair and stop having these variations because what that does is create bureaucracy. the federal employees. we handled the situation by teaching the populace that if you can stay at home
mystique says people they get opportunities that's the can-do attitude. >> i'm all for the president making the statements and encouraging work and making it more than just a paycheck that the intrinsic value. the practical fact of the matter when you look at the way these programs work is that people are not making that choice. and the president's rhetoric is not going to make it so that somebody is going to
lose their apartment because they go off support to go and take a minimum wage job. that person is not going to make that decision no matter how much the present tells them that there is value in work and they can go up the ladder. so i'm not going to do that. so if we were starting from the beginning we could do things differently. but we have to be practical. if we say we are not going to give people a choice than the problem becomes they are not going to make a choicea choice and we are not going to change what is happening. i'm not going to say everyone of these programs is perfect. it's embedded in our tax
code and system. the bigger problem is figuring out a way to reverse with this president has done which is to make people more dependent and let them have a reason to not have to give up their home and put the children on the street. [applause] >> stay on the topic. create millions of jobs. he had the fact that corporate inversion has been happening on the fastest basis we have seen. not trying to penalize those that are trying to leave the lower the tax rate. >> why does congress have the ability to impose taxes?
>> it was not to affect get back to the basics. everybody pays exactly the same rate. some people like to ridicule me, but i base it on the bible. god is a pretty fair guy. he did not say if you have a buffer copy only triple time he did not say if your cops fell you don't no me anything. everyone needs skin in the game. it is where the 14.9 percent tax kicks in. you still have to. the minimus tax because
everyone has to have skin in the game. it does not make sense to me for half the people to pay taxes and have a sense of how the others pay. i want complete fairness to the system and no deductions or loopholes whatsoever because -- and people will always manipulate everything to find a way to take advantage of a loophole. now, some people say that is not fair. let's say for simplicity's sake you have a 10% tax on the idea makes $10 billion pays one pays a billion, yet he makes $10 pays one. that is not fair because the guy who paid 1 billion still a billion still has 9 million left. we have to take more of his money. has told socialism which is not work in america as far as i am concerned.
and then there are those who say my mortgage deduction, i will lose my house. you're not thinking this through. you will have a lot more money. you don't need the mortgage deduction. the churches will all disappear because there won't be any reason for people to give these flash. before 1913 when the federal income tax was impose there were lots of churches, lots of charities all over our country because the american people are the most generous and charitable people on the face of the earth and if we don't need an incentive like that in order to be charitable to our fellow man. you think about what happened as the country was growing power able to grow and thrive? people cared about each other. if it was harvest time everyone else pitched in.
everyone take care of his family. that is how we used to be as a society. we used to care about each other. i had to reject all these purveyors of hatred. age wars and religious wars. what a bunch of crap. our strength -- [applause] meisner unity and compassion. we take care of each other. they will also how policies that are fair that won't pick and choose winners and losers. that is the basis of the tax program. >> on a follow-up on grizzly bears.
>> grizzly bears. >> one thing we have accomplished in this society is dramatically reduce death by grizzly bears. [laughter] [applause] >> we are winning the war. a big macro point we are talking about, the poverty trap distance and devising people. if you look at the marginal tax rates the highest tax rate payers not aaron rodgers and one buffet. it is the single mom with two kids earning 20 to $30,000 who wants to go to work losing the $0.80 on the dollar she makes that next up. we have to figure out how to use it, reduces barriers that even if we do that there's a human component to this. even if we get on the economics and the numbers in the math figured out as a human component.
great stories of people succeeding. the macro and the economics contract. the person-to-person touch, the people fighting poverty using passion, using community church religion. you did this in the education component. how do you do that at the federal government can't get the government to respect people, respect federalism and the make the connections flourish. how do you change it so that we have more of that? >> just like a lot of things scales the only way you can access it. hire lobbyists, have
constituencies, come to the congress or the bureaucracy was scale and become the incumbent has been your energy protecting your franchise. not just on social service programs but across the spectrum. and the startups, the disruptors in the social service arena, the social service entrepreneurs have no chance, no chance because they can fill out the godforsaken forms and have auditors. if you go to these organizations these are people that have a spark. this is how they define themselves. they are not doing this because it is a business or agency, the modern bureaucratic social service industry. they don't talk that way. they talk about acting on
the heart and help in saving them in ways that are inspiring and they have no access. the better ways to shift as much power away from washington dc. i am convinced whether it is medicaid, education, job training for all of the social service programs, start a new and create outcome based measurements have much more flourishing social service sector. the other thing is important is my brother became pres. and so that the faith-based initiative and it was successful and mobilized a lot of focus of tearing down barriers to get some of the more grassroots organizations. it has become different now. it exists but is not the same. create a place where they can ease their access into
some of the monies. [applause] >> the person who introduced me today was a fabulous woman who had one point when she was a young adult lived in a trailer in florida. not my. >> yet is. her success listening there, entrepreneurship the ability to create it, to innovate mired in poverty and today regulatory environment far
more difficult standing in the chest of would-be entrepreneurs. you look at the poorest communities throughout the country that lack entrepreneurs. how do we fix that? >> since.frank was put into place we have seen the closing of communities and state-chartered banks all over. closed completely emerging because they simply can't keep up with the regulatory requirements and they are afraid. doesn't go well and bankrupt them with hiring accountants and auditors try to defend them against the federal government.
see a problem, react emotionally because they want to get on tv. they don't begin to understand or care what the collateral damage. "communities all over the country any credit. there -- the roads are not big enough and they are not able enough they like what you do and they are willing to take a risk on you.
i community banker. more times than not they say to the entrepreneur i would love to help you that i have these auditors a new regulations. either; understood collateral damages by the fact that they didn't even read the bill properly. comply with the regulation and the once he created the problem in 2,008 that really crippled our economy, but not the small -- this wasn't a small community bank in florida are new jersey, but
we are creating a different kind of crisis now which is unavailability for caps off people who are trying to take a great idea and turn it into a great business. >> is absolutely right. here is an element that is becoming more talked about in the urban inquiries that is deeply disturbing and i think we need to have a conversation nationally about how we support local law enforcement so they can get back to community policing because they are protecting innocent people who feel threatened by the gangsters and criminals command you cannot create an environment where people
will create jobs and communities where unemployment is high when you have permanent dependency on government unless you create safe streets. [applause] >> we have two governors who have been involved in education policy in their states. you are an education success story in your own right. how can you fix this problem so that as you describe in your mom drilled and do you you get people a good education. what do you think we ought to do at the federal level to respect this problem and to treat this problem and in many ways it is devolution and federalism but go beyond that. >> let me briefly say something about regulation that i think most people don't recognize and that all of the federal regulations, the price.
and they cost in terms of goods and services and it is the most regressive tax is everybody has to pay. when you go to the store to buy a box of detergent and it has gone up $.10 who does that hurt? not the rich person but the poor person. the middle class person maybe notices when they get to the cash register. in addition to stifling the innovation and entrepreneurship is actually hurting the middle class and the poor people in our country immeasurably, and you have people like bernie sanders and hillary clinton say it is the fault of the rich. it is the fault of the government to continue to pile regulations on us. [applause] now, in terms of educational policy and the government the best education we have
found -- and i like to base things on evidence and not ideology, people who are best educated homeschoolers. next best are going to be private schoolers and charter schoolers in public schoolers. some were outstanding, but we have so many that are not i think the only way to solve this problem is to provide school choice which is done through vouchers alleviated through the state the closer to home the better it is going to be. that is one of the problems that we have seen as a society. when you centralize things to take away the ability, in
this country is supposed to be of, four, and by the people. a very large number of federal programs need to be block grant back to the state that 80 percent andwe tell the states if you can administer this program and it costs us you can use the rest of it for whatever you want which is going to incentivize them to be efficient and make the people pay attention to what is going on which is especially true in education. why are 50 percent of those kids dropping out of high school? well, those people are observant and looked around
and say on not getting educated anyway. i may as well be out there. those are situations we have to avoid. we have to compete with china, india. we have to develop all of our people, and for every one of those kids that is one less person we have to be afraid of, protect our families from : less person we have to pay for in the penal system of the welfare system, one more taxpayer productive member of society may discover a new energy source or cure for cancer. [applause] >> a huge political element. the single most destructive force for public education, the single most destructive force. i will tell you what happened to my kids.kids. we get a lot of reform stuff.
we set up a public school choice program, increased our charters to the largest number we have that in the history of new jersey and it was incredibly popular. people enjoyed it. and so what did they do? $20 million to the legislative democrats in the year that i was running for reelection. $20 million the day after i was reelected and we made no gains in the state legislature. because of that 20 million that was spent on behalf of legislative democrats. congratulations, great when: the more education reform. we took the money. >> in new jersey alone the teachers union has 200,000
members and they collect mandatory dues of $730 per person per year. hundred $40 million that the teachers union just in new jersey collection year and pay nothing toward future salary, pension, or healthcare. hundred $40 million political slush fund to reward their friends. imagine that kind of force and it is replicated in state after state after state, here we have all kinds of people in the country who are for school choice and what do they pay for? they pay for another white paper that tells us what been just told us. and i said to a group of these folks, stop paying for white papers. get your hands dirty and start paying people in public office who will support the positions that you have got.
right now it is absolutely a subsidiary and we have seen it already. you know what that means. she is bought and paid for and no changes will be made. all the things we talk about, theabout, the politics is a large part of what is stopping this. the teachers union will not be a part of the solution. >> let me get into that. [applause] we had to recall elections in wisconsin. i try to recall the legislature and i got the supreme court. we have seen these fights play out at the state level. a similar fight with the teachers union. he calls the status quo in
the poverty space the poverty industrial complex. it's another way of saying there is an entrenched special interest at the national level that is there to protect status quo. they have a different programs with a huge budget and defund the status quo, the interest groups, doing the same thing over and over and over and then we will get the predictable results. so you have taken on these fights. how do you take this on at the national level? challenge these complexes, challenge these interest groups and see if the national level. >> i don't think we should. >> how do you break it down? >> by having a president working with the reform minded speaker convincing the senate to get going. if the state wants to take its early childhood
education plan florida has the largest voucher program for four -year-olds in the country. 140,000 kids go to private schools for half-day programs had it helps us with early literacy efforts. it has ahad the greatest gains in learning for the little guys in the country. hispanic and african-american kids are in the top five, learning-disabled kids, low-income kids. the state of florida wanted to expand its four -year-old program, collapse all this money, givemoney, give it to the state and told us to account for better outcomes. you eliminate the infrastructure around all this money that fights to keep the system in place. headstart is an $8,000 year per kid number. well, maybe in florida we have better outcomes with lower cost and maybe we should be able to have that power. along the way we are empowering church -based organizations because the
central element of the mission. a lot of the faith-based organizations are providing the service. what is wrong with that? why do we assume it has to be a top-down approach? on title i money is it essential to have the bureaucracy around title i? 80 percent of the bureaucrats department of education were there to fill out the forms for 10 percent of the money goes to education which is the federal government title i money. this is a joke. we are not not improving education because we're bureaucrats on one side with no outcome measures and no one seems to care if kids are learning because they are not. focus on getting learning games for my education shouldeducation should be about children learning, not the economic interest of the adult. that states do it. not every state would.
california will be the 1st i can promise you that can happen here in south carolina and florida and a lot of other places. >> this is where conservative principles make a difference. conservative principles apply. it is a constitutional cover federal is, local control but at the end of the day when ends up happening at the federal level is the left says block grants mean you just don't care. you are not prioritizing. a kind of say if you don't make this a national priority, federal program with the federal agency and you really just don't care. that mindset is was given us the results we have. like grants meangrasping you
care so much that you want to empower people on the ground and giving them the tools they need to solve the problems because they screwed up at the federal level. >> it indicates not caring. this is about folks in the federal government who have a philosophy. they get to pick the winners and losers. they care less about success. attack credit program, and they kept increasing the tax credit program. all you are doing is elevating the corporate tax because the less corporate tax will bring in. but then we get to decide who gets the money. that is the philosophy. it's not about who cares
more. they want to decide who gets what. our view is we just want to be successful. i don't care who is successful. how care successful. how care fits someone i've never met before my life for someone i have. i why great ideas and work ethic to be rewarded. people in washington picking winners and losers. those folks in washington, the folks in washington making those decisions are making about on average hundred $8,000 per employee in the department of education where teacher is making about $50,000. making sure we eliminate at the federal level all the means good news for the student. when you look around the
back you will see students in the front row of the periphery on the sides standing around. have a great job in florida. jobs of the future. 44 percent will be the middle jobs. jobs were you don't quite need the degree. you need more than a high school diploma. have the conversation about how we make sure those jobs are filled by our kids. >> you know when i was in high school i used to have vocational education where you can learn how to become an electrician, plumber, learn welding., learn welding. i was recently talking to the ceo of the company and they said i can't find any welders is a gladly vienna process over $80,000 year. and i think we need to
recognize that there are different talents and skills that are important to make society work. you don't have to be a neurosurgeon. in fact have you heard about the plumber for the neurosurgeon at some plumbing work done in the plumber given the bill is $2,700. i don't get that for a procedure of the neurosurgeon. the plumber set out and get that when i was a neurosurgeon either. [applause] the.being, there is a wide variety of different types of skills that are necessary to make a society like ours flourish. we also need to be thinking about innovation and education. there are computer programs
that can look at the way a kid solves 5-ounce of the problems upon that it knows what they don't know. and they can go back into the and bring them back up to speed. the out of the teacher can only do it for one student at a time. the program can do it for a whole class, city, state. we need to take advantage of that, particularly closing the gap in stem problems. we can work on virtual classrooms we can take the best teachers and put them in front of a million students at a time instead of 30 students at a time. we need to reward good teachers. what do you get for being a good teacher? alike in a privatea private sector where you get rewarded you get more work to do. that discourages them. it them. it is a conglomeration of things that we have to look at on the education, but recognize that in the agricultural age the can
produce more corn that we can barter than anybody. in the industrial age are you needed was a strong back and a willingness to work and you could do well. now we are in the information technological age and must adjust. and you go into a factoring out, you will see a lot of people in there. they are working on a computer doing all kinds of things that are technologically oriented. not just the federal government. government is the mid- 20th century organizational model.
and education because having technologies to follow this moved to a competency based model. they could do the work. they can get an aa degree raf degree. we are holding kids back basin the 1950s were earlier. he basically breeze in and out and get the money. the system is rewarded for that which does not have anything to do with learning. there were improvement or kids are struggling not just pushed back but have to master material and kids that can excel can do it faster. .. kids who excel
can do it faster, you would deal with this learning gap for kids stuck in poverty. it from not do washington because 10% of education dollars come from washington. you have to have courageous politicians that take on this powerful economic interest of the adults. we should be funding people who have the strength and character to take on this obsolete system to liberate teachers to be able to do what they can do in harnessing technology is a key element. it will not happen i must state legislatures do it. i think about how obsolete our system is. it's the same as it was in the 19 century. one person standing in front of a whiteboard talking for 180
days when we used to have to get those kids out of school to attend the fields. if the rest of the world is spending more time in school than ours are, we need to go to that kind of model and we need to use technology more differently. think about all of us now in the age of smartphones and ipads. our children think differently. ,hen any of us have a problem when any adult has problems with their smart phone, you hand it to your 13-year-old. that's what i do. bridget is 12 years old and she has a couple buttons and says here you go, dad. their minds work differently. been exposed to something we have never been exposed to so why not use the
advantage? why are kids still carrying around 40 pound backpacks? morning when every i take them to school. the way the federal government could do it is make sure the money we are spending is to improve technology. you can download instead of outdated books three and four years old. they could download the most current material and their more comfortable working on that than they are with the books. we may feel as though the world is passing us by but it is. make sureed to do is our kids are given that technology. their minds work differently. let's adjust. and we're not compensating teachers based on their success.
we are basing it on how long they are there. we just won a case in new jersey with a teacher late to school and thes in two years school district finally fired arbitrator and the reinstated the teacher. , just onem like that example, these kids have no shot unless we have the political courage to look at these unions and say your day is over, you have failed. [applause] >> we are down to our last three minutes in this panel. it up.me for us to wrap how do we reset the expectations of the american people to look to conservatives for filing -- solving the problem of poverty?
we have heard some really good ideas that will work anywhere at any time and every place in america. i think we have to be willing to go into the den of the lion. went to thewhen i national action network of al sharpton, everyone thought i was nuts. when i started talking to people about empowerment, turning your own dollars over to create wealth, about the effects of out of wedlock births, what manytion does, the contributions black people had made to america, and it up with elijah mccoy.
had so many inventions. people would say is that a mccoy? by the time i got finished, standing ovation. when we go there and we talk about what we believe, they actually resonate with it and we have to stop having this phobia. do you have much better policies than the democrats do. [applause] you have to go sell it. the good news is we have a huge opportunity here because the president's policies have failed , the social system has been torn, and now we have to act and our ideas are the best ideas. i would follow the ryan model. go listen first, go learn, develop the policies from the bottom up and then you have a
chance to lead and persuade people there's a better way because people know what we have today has failed. [applause] your question is a political question because if you don't put the political muscle behind being able to do this, you will not have the authority to govern. we have to go back to campaigning in places where we are uncomfortable. should stop going to chamber of commerce lunches. they're wonderful but we got there both for the most part -- we got their votes for the most part already. we need to go to african-american churches, into the hispanic communities. we do and make sure we go there first to listen. don't go there first with a 10 point plan. to be listened to.
listening is empowering and first we have to listen. our party has failed in going into those places because we have said we don't get instant gratification back so why go there? we narrow our site on what we can do. , they want to hear from everybody and we need to show up and campaign and places we are uncomfortable. let's hear it for jeb bush, ben carson, and chris christie. [applause] >> thank you. >> thanks a lot [speaking french. this is about 25 minutes. >> one quick announcement.
there are people standing in the back but their seats in the front. there are plenty of seats. >> all the seats are on the front row. if you would please matriculate to the front, you'll find a place. stand in theu can back. mike huckabee. also is we have to bring out the next guy. we have the governor of arkansas , mike huckabee. come join us. >> hello, mr. speaker.
>> i love the title of one of your books. what are you struck the conversation with us about the road to recovery from those of us who have had to go through poverty. i feel likee things i can bring to the discussion was i grew up in poverty. i find it amazing when people talk about poor people like they want to be. if you grow poor, i guarantee that you do not want to be that way. you never wanted people to make fun of your shoes or the fact that you had two pairs of jeans and nothing more. you did not enjoy that. you did not enjoy when your friends would talk about they went on vacation, and you never did. i did not grow up resentful. i grow optimistic and hopeful that, in america, there would still be the opportunity to get an education, work hard, and one day, enjoy more than i grew up
enjoying. i believe that there is an incredible opportunity for us in this country to reclaim the spirit of america where people are rewarded for their work. when that happens, and we give them opportunity, we will see the growth of not just our economy, but of people being able to move upwardly. i think sometimes the government policies that we created are created by people who never spent a day poor. they don't understand. it is one of the reasons we need a new vision, a new approach, and is why i am so very delighted to be with the two of you today to talk about it. speaker ryan: let me ask you this. given this arrogance, what is the biggest thing that people miss what we talk about fighting poverty? what is the biggest thing that we miss?
governor huckabee: there is an industry of poverty built around the notion that, if we have organizations and advocacy groups, that will result poverty -- resolve poverty. we spent over $2 trillion and the poverty rate is pretty much the same as it was 50 years ago. we did not really do much to move the needle. part of the reason is because we did not attack some of the fundamental purposes and reasons that people cannot get out of the hole. when i was governor, and we reforms welfare in the 1990's, we were given a lot of flexibility as to how we did it. it worked because we knew our demographics, our people. we knew that half of the people, to get them into work, the transition, that is the challenge. we did it. a lot of the programs are designed this way.
if you are single mom and able to get wic, food stamps, medicaid, section eight housing, in some states, transportation assistance -- there are a host of benefits that can be tapped into. most of them are necessary for those families to survive, and some of them still have a hard time. if a parent goes to work and works at the only job for which they are qualified, which is probably a minimum wage job, and they work enough, they will work themselves right up to the threshold at which those programs to secure. work actually could totally impoverished their families where they have not enough food, no roof over their head. people say -- i have heard it put this way, welfare mothers ought to get out and work. i think, those welfare
governments are a lot smarter than the idiots in government who designed the program that punishes them for trying. what you need is a sliding scale so that you do not lose all of your benefits. speaker ryan: i agree. i think that is what we call a poverty tax which is a big tax against work. the administration has trapped more people in poverty thinking that if we treat the symptoms of poverty than the job is done, when all we are doing is trapping people in poverty. the challenge with sliding the scale down is each person is different. there are different benefits, different situations. it is hard to come up with a one size. how do you get at that at the human, individual level so that you can always, in every person's instance, make work pay? governor huckabee: let me offer to suggestions.
one is something we have done at the -- that could be at the congressional level. let these programs be managed at the state level. governors have to balance their budgets. they are close to their people. they will be held accountable for their results. they are in a position to decide what will work for their state. massachusetts and arkansas are very different. you have to let the programs be administered, and the details of the design be done as opposed to the people as possible. it is a little something called the 10t amendment. that is one thing. the reason i am a strong proponent for the tax -- it is a tax at the point of consumption, not productivity. our tax system defies common sense. if they were, we punish them by taxing their work. if they say, we punish them by taxing their savings. and, we tax them for being good stewards of their resources because we tax their inheritance.
if we tax at the point of consumption, we tax what they pay. the fair tax has an underlying principle. here is what it does. people at the bottom third of the economy are those who benefit the most. if a person works today for eight hours, and cannot really make it on that because they are working at the factory, busting it, but cannot make it, and says, i will work double shifts, help my daughter through college. if you work a 16 hour day, you
would think you would make a double paycheck, but you don't. you bump the tax bracket. the incentive is work as little as possible. it would be a powerful unlocking of the economy and you bring capital back into the united states that has been part of offshore.. 60,000 plants have closed since the year of 2000. we are talking about putting rocket fuel in the economy which is the only thing that solves the economy -- giving people jobs that pay enough money for them to survive and succeed. [applause] speaker ryan: you see the fair tax having a positive impact on tax aversion. would you suggest that you would also eliminate the irs?
governor huckabee: it is the only plan that eliminates the irs. [applause] governor huckabee: look, i'm pretty blunt. i think it is a rogue entity. in our system of jurisprudence, we are innocent until proven guilty. a presumption of innocence is ours. the burden of proof is on the accuser. we are find and targeted at the beginning of the process, not the end. if we are found innocent, we are given our money back. if we are found guilty, we lose our money, interest, and we could go to jail.
governor huckabee: focusing on the solution is the way to make it work. the solution is making an environment where jobs are brought back to the united states. be used to make things in this country. now we make up things -- we designed the iphone, but it is made in china. we tax capital and labor. we tax the people building something and the parts and pieces that they are building it with. if they make the same product in china, they do not tax capital and labor for items of export. they are not taxed as they are built. we do not tax at import. the result is there is a 22% embedded cost in what we make in this country first what is made in china, mexico, or indonesia. there is no wonder that prices in america for many things are more expensive because it is
inherently more expensive. the fair tax take that out. you build this chair in the carolinas where we used to build a lot of furniture, 22% of it is taxed. if you build it in china, it has a 22% advantage. both chairs are untaxed until they are purchased. now, you have an equal marketplace. if you account for cheaper labor costs, america is back in business making things. that is what built the of middle-class in this country. we will never be a great middle class without making things again. [applause] senator scott: governor, i spent some time on your website looking at how you would eradicate poverty. what you said is family would be the building block of poverty eradication?
governor huckabee: i think people think that if we had different government programs, it would do it. this is the simplest way to do it. a child born into a family were both mother and father have high school education and are gainfully employed, and remain together in a monogamous marriage and our partners for life -- the three things -- 88% chance that they will not spend a day in poverty. on the other hand, if a child grows up in a single-parent family where one or more parent has no college education, the reverse is dramatic. some of us say that marriage matters, stable marriages and families matter -- it sounds like we are coming at it from trying to tell people how to live. it is an economic issue. you want to eliminate poverty? weekend eliminate most of it by instilling in people that it is a virtue.
it is based on what this country was founded on. some things are right, virtuous. we should uphold them. we live in a culture where we uphold now that a person does not need marriage to have a child, that fathers are incidental to a strong growing up. we have to be honest. whether it is politically incorrect or not, we need to say, that is crazy. children need mothers and fathers. they need stability. they need homes. that will do more to get them out of poverty than anything. [applause] speaker ryan: the reason we speak about family and marriage is because that is a beautiful support for that person, to teach them, to connect them, and equip them with the skills that
when they grow up they have the tools to succeed. that is missing in so many parts. this is not something that just hits people of different income groups -- whether it is heroin, drugs, alcohol, it is breaking families. you have this deep history as a pastor, a man of faith, and in so many ways, there is this belief and notion that government needs to occupy the space in society that is between ourselves and government which is really where community and faith ought to occupy. we are losing that. we are losing the systems especially for people that may be suffering from a problem. give me a sense of how you think faith plays into this and how we take on this arrogant idea that government needs to crowd them out.
in a sense where a person does not have a family, how to be get them connected with the person, and how does faith play a role? governor huckabee: part of the reason i got into politics was because i wanted to take the values and insights that i learned from the experience into the political arena. i did not leave my faith behind. i brought it with me. i never exchange the capitol dome for the steeple. we have made the huge mistake in this country of thinking that we should somehow create this huge separation between faith and government. the truth is we cannot function as a society when we divorced the sense of our fundamental
judeo-christian values as the foundation of our society for this reason. we can't. [applause] governor huckabee: we were designed, as a country, because our founders understood that the best government we will ever have is not the government that we elect, it is self-government. it is when we govern ourselves to do what is right. when we don't hit people, lie to people. but we do that, we don't need a lot of government over us managing our behavior. i always said to the small government folks -- and i am one of them -- the best way to have a small government is to have bigger hearted people who govern themselves. the more people who are self-contained, moral, virtuous people, following their faith -- i know that if you don't catch me doing something and the president doesn't catch me do something, he still does.
the worst you can do to me -- i am concerned about his evaluation. here is the point. let's quit apologizing for being a country in which we have to be people that understand our basic self-centered nature. the bible would call that the sin nature. let's quit apologizing. our founders understood that if there was just one branch of government, it would get too big, corrupt, and run over people. they created three branches and one would oversee the other two. it is a brilliant system. it was designed on this notion that we cannot be left to ourselves.
we have to ultimately answer to each other, accountability, and ultimately, god. that is not something we should be ashamed of. that is who we are. senator scott: governor, we are very quickly running out of time. we have about four minutes left. you started off in sales and advertising, you became a pastor. my mother wanted a pastor, but she got a politician. you finished being a governor. as governor, you did some radical things on sentencing reform. k talk about the policies at the state level that would set captives free. governor huckabee: helping people understand the education
is a critical ticket to avoiding poverty. family matters. make it harder to get a divorce, not easier. it is easier to get out of a contract for a used car in most states than it is to get out of the marriage. the me put it this way. it is easier to get out of marriage than it is to get out of the contract for a used car. make it a little tougher to get in and even tougher to get out. we lock up a lot of people that we are mad at, rather than people be our afraid of. there are people that need to be locked up -- we are afraid of them, they are dangerous. there are people that we lock up that economically, it is a disaster. for five dollars-six dollars per day, you could keep them in community-based assistance.
in our prison system in arkansas, 80% of inmates were there because of a drug or alcohol issue. they were drunk or high when take committed the crime, or they committed the crime to get drunk or high. we have to focus on the treatment of people who have addictions, and treat them as people with addictions rather than treat them as people with criminal behavior. the criminal behavior is subsequent to the addiction. speaker ryan: this is an issue that is coming full circle. in the 1990's, we overcompensated. no we see the devastation that has occurred. if conservatives of faith have seen how the power of redemption is so beautiful and important. the state and federal level have way overcompensated. this is an area where i think that there is a federal government over criminalizing things, and state laws have
shown there is a way forward, that there is reform that works. this is an area where i think we can make a big difference and on a redemption -- honor redemption. governor huckabee: i know our time is almost gone, but let me respond to that by saying, the best way to do that is turn it loose at the state level and let them be the laboratories of democracy that they were intended to be. obamacare is a failure because it was a 50 state experiment. all states are not the same. if we make a 50 state mistake, the whole country is messed up. let some governors take some ideas and road test them. if it doesn't work, you have not messed the whole country up in the process.
the best way to do that is not punish programs that are faith-based -- whether in the prisons or poverty system. it is no way to let these programs work if you deny people of faith from participating from of faith-based perspective. government can give you a sandwich, but cannot give you a hug. quite frankly, what people need is the affirmation that as a human being they have worth and value, they are not expendable and disposable. [applause] speaker ryan: what a beautiful sentiment to end on. ladies and gentlemen, governor huckabee.
[applause] governor huckabee: i appreciate it. speaker ryan: a quick picture? governor huckabee: i get to be the meat of the sandwich. [applause] rubio. this is about an hour. [applause] >> thank you very much. it is a great day in south carolina. we are so excited to have the foundation and everything his father did to continue on. when you talk about poverty, you have talk about solutions.
republicanssaid have always thought about it but they haven't always said it and we want to talk about these things so i wanted to come out to welcome you and thank you for being here in the foundation for doing this because we think it's so important. i want to give a couple shout outs because i think it's so important. speaker ryan said when he took his leadership role, things would change. how about the fact they repealed obamacare? was that not fantastic? who you have senator scott has been a fighter in everything they are doing but he's continuing to fight about guantanamo bay. becauseup for tim scott we need him to keep fighting for us on that front for let me talk to you about what we have done
itself carolina. -- in south carolina. you're talking about people you don't always see. what we saw was a situation with know is ifnd what we you improve education, you lift we hadthings so where this situation in education we never seems to get past where we needed to go. we studied it and was started it i grew up in a small town. now my daughter goes to river bluff high school where every smart board, a flatscreen tv, tablet. when i went back to my hometown, have theey didn't equipment to play a video on.
we said that wouldn't happen anymore so we got together with our general assembly and said we would make a change and we acknowledge that for the first time, it just cost more to child in poverty so we changed the funding formula, put reading coaches in every elementary school, to knowledge he and every school and said we will no longer educate children based on where they are born, but because they deserve a good education. [applause] we doubled down on reading coaches, continued with technology, internet inside the schools, making sure those kids have tablets and we are taking it a step forward to where we are staying in poverty-stricken areas we need to have good teachers. he will see this year we start funding a program where anyone , ifgets a teaching degree
you promise to teach in a rural area for eight years, we will pay for your education. [applause] the beautiful part of all of this -- we are doing it without raising taxes. say we have to make education a priority, we have to show we care about these kids and it's not what you say, it's what you do. in south carolina, we are doing that in education. then we saw in opportunity when people lose their jobs, when they ask for unemployment, sign up for welfare, we are missing an opportunity. when we have someone come for a job, they don't sit down and fill out paperwork to get welfare, they are in interview. we ask what is your skill set and we match them with businesses and we have taken
over 25,000 people off welfare and put them to work. [applause] there is not one parent rich or poor that doesn't want their child to have a good education. there is not one person that doesn't want to be a contributing member to society. everybody want to be and have a better life. everyone wants a better life for the children. when you have the opportunity, you have solution and when you have solutions, that's when you lift people up. taking all about opportunities and solutions and if we continue to talk about them and follow-up by acting, we will make every day a better day so thank youlina
for taking the time to be here. thank you to all the candidates. now i want to talk to you about one that is no longer a presidential candidate but is a dear friend and i will tell you senator lindsey graham made us all proud and south carolina in the way he talks about foreign policy. [applause] >> i have watched senator graham . in anyime i was with him wasation, all i had to do pick up the phone and he was always there but his brightest moment was the fight he did on foreign policy as a candidate for president. that's a conversation that will
,o on because of lindsey graham because he brought up conversations we had it talked about so help me give a warm thank you to senator lindsey graham. [applause] >> thank you [speaking french] i finally made it on the big stage. [laughter] bad news for you is i have four hours of unused time but we can do this. number one to our governor, she give the republican response to president obama from the south carolina point of the. -- point of view. how many of you are from out of state? you want to help already? spend money while you are here.
you forckly, thank coming to columbia, to all the people who sponsored this. thank you to the people who believe in early childhood education. i want to do a lot of things in terms of helping people improve their life. if you don't get out of debt, you can do none of those things. how do you get out of debt? what i want this group to do is not only focus on how to increase the ability of every american to get out of already but to make sure we don't become grief. urge the congress to do something. get our fiscal house in order, we can't do all the good things you want to do. the baby boomer generation of
-- anyone born after 64? good luck. see if not this coming together of the republican and democratic party to find a way to save medicare and social security from bankruptcy, to flatten the tax code, and put the money on debt. tonger people, you will have work a little longer. sorry about that. level,ple at my income you might have to pay a little more, sorry about that. unplugged ask a young man alone to go overseas, i will ask these people to sacrifice too. the sooner we do it, the smaller they will be and the quicker we can get on with saving our
country. have you get out of poverty? get a job. get a job that pays more than the poverty rate. how do you get a job? you have to get someone to create one. the republican and democratic party have failed in this regard. we are not where we need to be. do you think we are winning or losing? don't you think the republican party can up our game? don't you think we can spend some money to spend on education, and it may not be traditional republican orthodoxy, but we should? do think we should make jobs better than the democrats are doing? so the bottom line is that i would like us to be better than
jack kemp. [applause] to the extent: that i can as a senator in 2016. we will have a chance to start over and maybe focus on this issue in a way that we haven't done before. here are youe you ?ere thank you to you and your family. hope and pray that the party of jack kemp will come back with a vengeance. [applause] a party is not worth its salt if it cannot help people. deal away you can get out of debt and end party is for both parties to work together. [applause]
lindsey graham: i don't know how to do it either without bipartisanship. and tim scott is the next jack kemp. are tryingm and paul to do with our party and everybody wanting to be president for the most part are here today. that tells you the power of the kemp name of the power of the idea of trying to solve a problem. we has republicans have a problem, demographically. lowernot do well with -income americans because they
think the republican party doesn't have their interests at heart. our democratic friends do very well, electorally, but the bottom line is that both parties are failing. so what i would like to do as a republican is to convince every american that cares about poverty that we also care. but it is not enough to care. you have to actually do something. and here is what i want to leave you with. if it takes me working with a debt,at to get us out of i will do my part. [applause] if it takes me working with a democrat to create an agenda that will create jobs that don't exist a day and provide education for those that are lacking, i will do my part -- exist today and provide education for those that are lacking, i will do my part. [applause] lindsey graham: we are about to
have an election, as you can tell. i want to make sure that everyone who is running for president of the united states to make sure that they are challenged by you so that they can do their part. it will be impossible to solve these be problems -- these big problems without strong presidential leadership. choose wisely. welcome to south carolina. [applause] >> everybody -- [applause] >> whew! this has been a fantastic conversation, has it not this has been a fantastic ?onversation, has it not
paul ryan: we are excited about this because now you've got two parties in this game competing for ideas and how to fix this thing. restoreng is, how do we this american idea that everybody in this country can make it? how do we treat these problems to the root problems. the two of you have taken a lot of leadership roles in this. taking thehave been leadership role in the senate, and john, let's just start this off.
john kasich: i think the message hewith jack, it is what always talked about. i served with jack and i had a great time with him and it is it that you have to have an attitude were everybody has to have an opportunity to rise. so, you know, let's just take a couple of issues, like criminal justice reform. we give judges more discretion now based upon a what a person did. let's talk about banning the box. paul ryan: explain the box. you were a felon
and you apply for a job and they say, here is your application, check the box if you were a felon, and so they take that application and they throw it in the trash. also happenanctions where if you have in fact committed a crime and you have been rehabilitated, you can find a way back and you can get a job in many professions where you are not permitted to get one. we have also enforce the jobs in ohio because we want minorities to develop entre newer ships -- entre >> we will do everything we can so they have a say were that road goes, so they don't get atked off three we performed the schools with an african democrat mayor, and other schools are working better. that was a big lift.
all these things, and many more. we have programs to rehab people on drugs. we have moved our addiction services into the prisons, and into the community where they are supervised. the recidivism rate is better. time, our recidivism rate in the presence is half the national average. but gang bangers that caused trouble in the prisons, we will throw away the key. but we tried to give people opportunities. people who are 50, we have adult education programs. we have new programs, if you are likely to be a dropout, we will have an education path for you where you will not drop out. in the schools, we try to educate people for jobs, not
educate them in a vacuum. in this city, many more things. we are now integrating developmentally disabled into the workforce. we get them into hospital settings, a grocery, a walmart, or wherever they can perform. so they can feel like their life has meaning. the list goes on and on. it is an attitude of economic growth. when you are growing, everyone has to feel as though they have a chance to rise. a rising tide does lift. welfare reform, you see caseworkers, more than in a hospital. we have narrowed the caseworker to one very we invite businesses into the welfare office. when you are getting your aid, we will also train you. because the person with the job is sitting next to you. it is also an opportunity for
people to do better. it is a sin not to help people who need help. it is equally a sin to continue to help people who need to learn how to help themselves. that is the motto we follow. [applause] marco, you have a tremendous life story. i have respect for your past three sometimes, people believe that we don't know any poor people. i go home to my family, walk into a neighborhood, mired in poverty. what i see in neighborhoods when a visit my grandfather every week, it is not request for up, forit is a leg education and training. to empower the individual. >> that is why it is so important the republican party
has candidates running for office who had fathers who were mailmen, and mine, a bartender. because it is one thing to read about these things, but another to live with them. it is important. john kasich just describe the things they are doing in the state. one thing i hope to do is take -- >> marco, you did a flex fund program. you're taking this issue on quite a bit. getting them back to the states so we can have flex funds. that is similar to the opportunity grant we made proposals for. tell us how i flex fund works.
you turn the money over to state and local communities. it will never, from the federal government. you know that only at the state level are you going to get the kind of innovation that we see described here today in ohio and other states across the country. >> when you went to college in the 70's, it was always nice for a nice protest. [laughter] [applause] i thought about handling it the way another candidate does, but thought better of that. [applause] [laughter] what, on television this morning -- >> we have 41 minutes people that can
tolerate differences and respect people. partys not the republican . back to marco. >> if i could take a step back for a moment. the reason i love free enterprises because it is only economic model in the history of the world where you can make more people richer without making rich people poor. er. in a free enterprise economy, if there is poverty, it is because there is an impediment to allowing free enterprise to work in people's lives. fund and thety flex fund we have talked about is designed to help area if you are a child born into a broken family, and unstable home in a unsafe neighborhood with a failing school, where most people are the dealers and poor
role models, you have a lot against you. unless something dramatic happens to shakeup that dynamic, statistics say he will struggle to get ahead. we need to break that model. think you'll ever get that in the federal government. there is no way the federal government can combine innovative programs to assist the entire country. it behooves us to say we care about poverty, and we care so much, we will make the funds available to those of their who know how to make it work at the state and local level. this depends on where you are in life. students,ntraditional and we talked about job training. people in her 20's and 30's, take for example a single mother who makes $10 per hour, raising two kids on her own. the only way she can get a raise -- i am going to keep talking through it -- the only way she
can get a raise is if she goes back to school, and get a degree so she can get a job that pays more. what is the impediment? , orschool is it expensive it takes place during the day when she has to work. , i know mayben is it is jarring to the audience, the question is, what is the proper role of the federal government? is it to respect individuals, respect communities, civil society, state and local governments and provide resources? when we talk to governors about block rents, and senators about getting resources back to the community, that does not mean we care less. that does not mean we don't have ideas. it means, what we are trying to do is liberate people who are there fighting poverty, with the
power to do it and make affects. are you trying to have resources, but not command-and-control? want to allow the american economy to be the most powerful in the world. the jobs created here create wealth. we are focused on eradicating poverty. we treat the symptoms of poverty, the pain of it, but we do not cure poverty in america today with these federal programs. the goal is to ensure that those funds are given to those entities at the state and local poverty,at will stop so people can get the better paying jobs to create a more dynamic economy. >> let me give you an example. firstinvolved in the welfare reform bill in congress all, you realize, there are people on government assistance that cannot take a
pay raise because they will lose more than what they gain. you take a woman offered a pay raise, and that is why we are raising our threshold so that when a woman makes more money, she does not lose her childcare. we need to have a system that encourages people to work their way up. let me give you another one. under the work requirement, most people know, if you were on work release, you have to work 30 hours a week of you are able-bodied. but we want education opportunity in there. if you can be trained, it should work toward your work requirements. but we need permission to do that. to me, that is absurd. welfareshove the programs back to the states with guard rails on them. you can't take medicaid money from the poor and spend it on the highways. you need the flexibility to take it a long way.